Salty Rob is Salty

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
11/12/2018 at 12:21 • Filed to: Salt, Ban Youtube, Ban Content

Salty Rob should just move to Montana if he wants to not pay sales taxes on cars. (Sorry Montanans)

DISCUSSION (35)

CB > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:25

I despise most YouTube car people.

For Sweden > CB
11/12/2018 at 12:26

I despise YouTube AND people

CB > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:27

Despising people sounds like a pretty funny thing for a socialist/communist to say.

jimz > CB
11/12/2018 at 12:27

these people are the worst, though. if you do this because you can’t afford the sales tax, then what they hell are you doing buying such an expensive car? and if you can afford the sales tax and are just evading it because you can, then you’re just a dick knob.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:29

I will gladly store the Bugatti for him in my garage in Flathead County, as long as I get to daily drive it. A Bugatti in deep snow, that sounds like fun.

Kinja'd!!!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:29

what id some one call him out on what amounts to tax aviation evasion ?

For Sweden > CB
11/12/2018 at 12:31

If you look at the history of socialist governments, is it that odd?

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
11/12/2018 at 12:32

WHY ARE YOU EVADING TAXES

CB > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:33

You make an excellent point.

Chariotoflove > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/12/2018 at 12:36

Most of the time you have to taxi as part of aviation.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:36

Because I don’t want the g obberment taking my monies and spending it on counterception.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Chariotoflove
11/12/2018 at 12:38

damn it

evasion

Urambo Tauro > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:39

So salty. I liked Ed’s video on the subject better.

It is/was a loophole, and it is against the spirit of the law, if not the letter. But those tax rates are genuinely absurd, and I can’t be mad at them for finding a technically legal way around it. Hopefully bringing this subject into the spotlight will inspire states to sit down and re-think their tax practices, instead of simply “cracking down”. Otherwise, it seems that moving to Montana really is the only solution.

For Sweden > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 12:41

It’s definitely against the letter of the Georgia law.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:42

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Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 12:44

If you have the money to buy several $250k cars you have the money to pay sales tax on them.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
11/12/2018 at 12:47

But do you have enough money to buy a house in Bozeman?

Just Jeepin' > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/12/2018 at 12:49

I have to admit, I get very grumpy when I see people talking about tax evasion. Just pay your damned taxes people.

(Primarily , ordering online without paying your state use tax. Suck it up and pay it. )

Chariotoflove > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/12/2018 at 12:50

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:50

I hear there are multiple flavors of socialism and most folks who toss that moniker really don’t know what they’re talking about. So I avoid using it because I definitely do not. Know.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 12:51

Ugly as that guy is and we pay any attention to him at all?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > jimz
11/12/2018 at 12:56

Attempts at a tax writeoff for providing low kwality kontent

jimz > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 12:59

are you talking about this?

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2013/mar/01/new-tax-for-cars-begins/101190/

If so I don’t see what’s so egregious about it. a 6.5% ad valorem tax assessed at the time of sale is no different in concept to the 6.0% sales tax we pay in Michigan on almost all goods, cars included. If I pay the State of Michigan $1200 when I buy a $20k car, then someone buying a $200k car can easily cover the $12k sales tax. If they can’t, then they can’t afford the $200k car.

(edit: it’s apparently 7.0% now, but still)

Sales taxes are considered to be a mixed bag for a reason; one of the downsides is that they’re regressive. Even though everyone pays the same percentage of the purchase price, the more you have the marginal utility of money decreases (each additional dollar “means” less to you.)

of course, we’re talking YouTube “stars” who are a special kind of dumb. The types who will find a burst of popularity, make $200,000 on whatever video dreck they do, and immediately go out and buy a $200,000 car. Then, of course, act like geniuses because they found a way to avoid paying sales tax on it. Meanwhile, the high cost of ownership will eat up whatever money they have left over because they didn’t realize supercars have super expensive parts and maintenance.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 13:00

Loophole implies a gap in the law. There is no gap. They are trying to rely on Montana law for something that is no longer in Montana.

If the cars were kept in Montana there wouldn’t be anything wrong. But keeping the car in Georgia violates Georgia law. Montana law is irrelevant if the car is in Georgia after 30 days.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 13:07

No, Bozeman is too expensive but you might be able to afford Whitehall.

Urambo Tauro > jimz
11/12/2018 at 13:08

Yeah I have no interest in defending the YouTubers. Just trying to imagine being in that situation myself. It’s one thing to be pissy about not having done the proper research about what it really means to afford an expensive car. But it’s another thing for the state to not put a cap on how much it charges in taxes for what is still one car , taking up one parking space or car-length on the road, and wearing one (or two, depending on t he state) license plate.

diplodicus > Just Jeepin'
11/12/2018 at 13:08

I make sure to pay my online use tax because I think I’m on a list. Couple of years ago I somehow downloaded the tax form for 1998 filled the whole thing out without realizing it. Was like wow the state owes me a lot. Month later I get a letter saying I owe them like 400$ and I used the wrong form.

The year before that I tried to create my own loophole. The form asks if I paid taxes to any governments outside of the state of MI. So I put my federal taxes down cause the IRS is not located in MI. They did not agree with my logic.

LongbowMkII > For Sweden
11/12/2018 at 13:09

I don’t think people in blazers and t shirts should be disparaging anyone

jimz > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 13:13

No cap?

For the period from March 1, 2013 until December 31, 2013, the TAVT rate is 6.5%.

For the period from January 1, 2014 through December 31, 2014, the TAVT rate is 6.75%.

For the period from January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2015, the TAVT rate is 7.0%.

For future years the rate may be adjusted, but in no event can the rate exceed 9%. The rate for the subsequent tax years, if increased, will be set by the Commissioner of the Department of Revenue and will be published by August 31.

https://onlinemvd.dor.ga.gov/tap/faqs.aspx

Sounds like it’s capped to me. And it doesn’t sound any different than any other sales tax; it’s assessed to the buyer at the time of title transfer. Just like sales tax in MI. Ad valorem means “according to value,” same as a sales tax.

and I can’t stand Ed Bolian so I don’t really care what he thinks he’s entitled to do.

Urambo Tauro > jimz
11/12/2018 at 13:15

I meant a cap in the form of a fixed dollar figure.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
11/12/2018 at 13:20

Best I can do is Four Corners

jimz > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 13:21

just so I understand your argument, you’re saying that there should be a point where the assessed tax should reach a limit, and stay the same even for more expensive cars?

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CB
11/12/2018 at 13:28

I think it’s more of a Very Good Point rather than an ‘Excellent’ point.

Urambo Tauro > jimz
11/12/2018 at 13:31

Yeah, I think that’s reasonable.

I honestly haven’t put any thought into what number such a cap should be set at, only that one should exist. I do think rich people should pay their fair share, but I don’t think it’s fair to charge them extra just because they can theoretically afford it. Considering what the money from these taxes is supposed to be going towards, these cars don’t leave much of a bigger footprint then our cheaper cars do.

jimz > Urambo Tauro
11/12/2018 at 13:43

Well I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point. I don’t take a “soak the rich” POV towards taxation, but neither do I support subsidizing the wealthy which is what capping sales tax basically is. Just like defining 1 year as “long term” w/r/t capital gains. all you have to do is sit on an investment for a year and one day, and only pay 15-20 % on the money you make off of it.

in the end, it’s just another way the middle class takes it in the shorts.